Posted by Shane O'Sullivan on July 31, 2006
Just read about the Emergetk toolkit, bringing Dojo to .NET. Very cool idea. I wonder how this will play out against MS Atlas, Microsoft’s Ajax toolkit? They’re going to need good tooling for Visual Studio for one thing, and probably get rid of the GPL license, or else it’ll be a pretty hard sell. Still, it’s great to hear Dojo being promoted to the .NET crowd!
Here’s my comment on the subject..
Update: The GPL is now gone, they’re using the BSD license instead. Much better!
Posted by Shane O'Sullivan on July 1, 2006
ApacheCon Europe 2006 is over, and I had a blast.
Mark Shuttleworth Keynote
It started off with Mark Shuttleworth, the Ubuntu founder, giving a very well delivered speech about where he sees the world of free software heading in the next five years. Some of his better points include “Pretty is a feature“, and the massive opportunity for Linux and other free software on consumer gadgets.
Microsoft Atlas Keynote – Rob Burke
One thing that was missing was a quick comparision between other open source Ajax toolkits, and “why” people should use Atlas instead of Dojo or Scriptaculous/Prototype etc, which are firmly estabished in the open source and commercial worlds. To play devils advocate for a minute, in defence of the other toolkits:
- Tooling around open source ajax frameworks took a large leap forward with the initiation of the Ajax Toolkit Framework in Eclipse, and should soon be quite comparable to the MS IDE. Also, it doesn’t lock you in to a particular framework, as it supports multiple existing ajax toolkits (currently Dojo, Zimbra/Kabuki and Open Rico)
- The announcement that MyFaces, the Apache implementation of the Java Server Faces specification, is migrating its client side widgets to Dojo means that Dojo will now have a server-side binding, for Java developers at least. This should be more or less equvalent to the .NET combination of Atlas + VB/C#
- The recent announcements by IBM and Sun regarding their support of Dojo, with both code and documentation, along with the Oracle connection through MyFaces, and you’ve pretty much got three of the four main IT companies jumping on the Dojo bandwagon.
- The latest code drop for Dojo will surely lead to it’s dominance over mankind as we know it…. cue self patting on back
My extra-happy birthday
On a more personal note, the second last day of the conference just so happened to be my birthday, and since it was also the birthday of one of the organisers of the conference, we got Happy Birthday sung to us by hundreds of inebriated hackers. Now THAT I can get used to.
Finally, thanks/hi/bye to all the cool people I crossed paths with over the week. I had a fantastic time bouncing ideas & beer bottle tops off you all, and hope to see you all again in a years time!
P.S. For a listing of a whole host of pictures of the event, go here and here.
Posted by Shane O'Sullivan on June 23, 2006
Anyway, I've been assured that Atlas is essentially free of all backend or tooling dependencies, with optional ties to the .NET framework. I'm yet to be convinced, but Rob Burke told me that he's presenting a session on Atlas at ApacheCon next week here in Dublin, so at the very least it should be interesting to see the reaction of the open source crowd to Microsoft's foray into the "free as in beer" world of software development.